A Post for the People... Better Late the Never




Good morning AMDALers! Happy Thursday.

For starters, I whole-heartedly apologize to anyone who was offended by my post last week- mainly by the *s and side-commentary. I had full intent of people realizing it was meant to stir things up and I knew I'd have to back it up with more comments to keep it going. What I didn't intend to happen was for people to take it seriously and even more so, take it off-line and blow it out of proportion. After receiving a phone call around 3:30pm about the tension it was causing amongst friends/AMDAL readers, I decided that I would take down my posts- bushleague or not, apparently it needed to happen. I didn't delete them, just unpublished them and they can all go back up if people want them to.

Very few of you know me, but those who did emailed me and asked me what was going on with AMDAL, where my posts went, why I went MIA, etc. In an effort to clear up what I write seriously and don't write seriously, I will put ^ next to things that are jokes for the remainder of this post so you can get to know me a little bit better. I can't use * b/c I need those to give call-outs and I don’t want to taint their good usage- AMDAL is 50% self-call, 50% call-out, leaving it 100% “call” and a slave to the *. Sorry for any confusion this may cause.

Why address it now? People are still asking me what the heck happened. Rather then write a bunch of emails, here's the dealie (sorry for the lengthy post also, but there are photos to make it fun- I hear those go over well):

Yes- MLR and I had a very candid email exchange about the post & it was not the first time we disagreed about something AMDAL related.*

No- of course he didn't take down my posts. You people can be such sillykins. I don't think he would ever do that -not a challenge for to put something up to see where the limits are... He asked me if I cared how he addressed the mob, I suggested he post our entire email chain. He didn't and I think it was a cop-out.

I took down my posts not for lack of pride, but for lack of purpose in the big picture which was totally and completely missed. Either you are retarded or else you actually were offended- I still feel badly about it, especially if you are in fact retarded because now I just offended you again. ^

99% of the stuff posted on here by everyone is pretty darn funny and most of it is blatantly offensive, even clever at times. When I started on AMDAL, I was the lone ranger of female posters- I think I still am actually. Probably the only thing I have in common with most of you on here is ARod and even then it's a different relationship. The purpose of the JS post was to make some outright, blatant, ridiculously one-sided statements to drive up some readership and hopefully get y'all to pass the link around to various "newbies" to AMDAL... why would I put something up that was so incendiary**? Because I want MLR & AMDAL to succeed and in blogland that happens with lots of hits and new visitors.

To be honest, I really couldn't figure out what the big deal was. After just about a week worth of dealing with the fallout, I realize that I need to clarify a few things. Add to that the past few days worth of posts and the same confusion is still present on my end of this whole "cat fight" I'm part of. To be clear: None of my posts are aimed at alienating the female fans. What still perplexes me is the following (and hopefully will open up some interesting dialogue- b/c that's what AMDAL is about- discussing politics, pop culture, friends' snafoos, photos and stories):

(A) The females who read AMDAL usually are pretty quiet. As a woman, I guess I'm not supposed to say anything that can be considered degrading to women. However, what I think is “normal” banter makes many of you angry and what you think “should be” actually offends me. Quite the predicament we’re in… kinda like this:


Wow- Y’all got pissed by the JS post. If this were a study in gender and society, we just had a breakthrough. I knew that calling out certain people and making some bold statements would get things going. I didn't expect was to be splayed out for pointing out a few "society norms" that could help JS keep a man. Was my post right or wrong? The jury is still out. But we did have a lively day on AMDAL- successful post in my book.

I stand by my actions- it was a quality post, it was funny if you could see past your knee whapping you in the face***^ and it was framed off all stuff that some of you have said to me before in person, as well as written about on AMDAL: yay for hot girls, fat girls are not attractive, girls are dumb but men don't care, and repeated most often: men like women best when they're drunk and in the bedroom/ upstairs in a frat. (see
here,here, here, here, here,here, here, here and here for a few examples. I only made it through a couple months before I got tired of the ol' copy/paste).

(B) AMDAL is supposed to be a place for free speech and posting whatever you feel like when you're bored at work, on vacation, having a great time at NSACAR races^ and so on. If you’re going to get offended at me, get offended at everyone. Case in point: I have been told to “express your opinions like Scos does” on the blog. I’m sorry- I just hallucinated. You want me to express myself like Scos? The same Scos that I know?

Most of you know Scos- he's kinda an asshole. I have the luxury of knowing him for quite a few years now, so he’s become known to my friends in NYC as that “really cute asshole guy from your soccer team”^ and rarely do I take anything he says seriously because well, it's Scos. I don’t know about you, but enjoy him just the way he is.

He's called every Dartmouth girl disgusting, fat, un-hookupable, etc. - I actually don't think he has said anything nice about Dartmouth girls except for Liz because she put up with him (thanks, Liz!). In his
last Random Thoughts, he offended every race in one paragraph- impressively done, Sir - and yet no one had a problem with that either. I say that good girlfriends should be domestic and take a couple digs at Jessica Simpson (who presumably none of you know, but I could stand corrected) and somehow I morphed into pure evil, setting women’s rights back 45 years.****

(C) This is a blog. If you get totally worked up about it, relax a little. It's just a blog- I think we all have to keep this in mind when we are reading & commenting- myself included- because everyone on here is someone's friend. In my case, I'm someone's girlfriend and I'll try to take into consideration that my 1950's way of life is slightly offensive to my boo’s ^ liberal, Mason Dixon crossing, Sam Adam’s drinking, iPhone using, pot smoking, tree hugging friends.^(x5) I’m sure there’s an iPhone app that could give me guidelines, but I take a blackberry.



At the end of the day, I missed you and some of you were sad I may have left AMDAL. Thanks for the concern and I'm sorry I've been busy with a funeral, that whole "career" thing, and getting someone from the Hospital's engineering staff to come fix the leak in my office which, as of this morning, is now a 2 foot x 3 foot hole in my ceiling that stuff keeps falling and dripping out of. Never a dull day.



I would've gotten back to y'all sooner but life got in the way.

However, I've still been checking AMDAL from my smartphone and spreading the good AMDAL word to those less fortunate. Oh, I've been meaning to say....

BMar: you're still an enigma and I don't think you're real. That aside, it seems we have the same sense of humor and tendency to write really long posts.

NBaum & DHO: Congrats with the cougars. DHo’s texts & updates really made for quite the enjoyable evening. I hope you were left unscathed.

Scos: Every time you write something offensive and get away with it you prove my point. Thanks. You're a great friend.

ARod: xo

MLR: You know I only want what’s best for the blog. Your song choice the other day was offensive, jerkface. And you should have let Scos' post shine for longer, it's a gem. Oh wait- your rules only apply to me, I forgot. ^ I am positive I have that Nokia phone, in red and I'll ask my mom to try to find it at home. I'll let you know if it survived the last closet & attic clean out.

WOHJR: I stand by my bullshit. I was told that what I wrote was “dangerous” “speaking for AMDAL and we are not in agreement” and “flame-fanning” that crossed an imaginary line. Get less initials and we can talk more if you need further explanation. Love your comments- keep 'em up!

Anonymous, the original: Hi.

Sars, Angry Anonymous Girl, CLord, et al: I'm pretty sure y'all might try to hurt me if we were in the same room... and who knows, we could have been and I’d have no idea. Wouldn't that be ludicrous? Don't get me wrong- I could easily take you, but I'm not really looking for a fight. That being said, if the occasion arises, I’m demanding we involve a kiddie pool filled with jello and string bikinis… to level the playing field of course. I’m sure MLR will tell you on side emails I was out of line for suggesting that in the first place, but that’s not the point- they boys would still enjoy it, just like my posts.

Much AMDAL love-
~AOG


* Although it’s like having too many cooks in the kitchen and he’s an angry, self-righteous boss, MLR does a good job at keeping the blog going with crap none of us want to read or music we want to listen to.^

** I owe that word to Makena. Must give credit where credit is due.

*** Get it- kneejerk reaction? Ha, ha ha.. no? okay, I tried.

**** As one of the few AMDALers who was alive 25+ years ago, I can assure you it wasn’t when the women’s rights movement was going on when someone mentioned it was in the comments to the JS post. 25 years ago was full of scrunchies, spandex, neon clothes and listening to Madonna, Prince, MJ while wearing more then one pair of socks at a time. And yes, it was awesome!

18 comments:

B. Martin said...

three quick things

1) This is my new favorite post of all time. Narrowly edging the photo of a dog/man face.

2) MLR sometimes kneejerk-edits/reacts the blog. He can be like a living incarnation of Gladwell's "Blink" when he reacts to the blog: first instinct rules his thinking. But better a good-but-occasionally kneejerk editor than no editor at all.

3) I love/hate the anonymous comments. For a while, I think we all figured that one or two people (Evan Chriss, Skins) dominated the "Anonymous" moniker. Now, its several people at least. It's hard to pin down who makes the comments. They've moved away from hyperbolic FoxNews conservativism and begun veering all over the place.

Makena said...

Oh sweet - of my two AMDAL call-outs, one referenced my propensity for tree-hugging/making organic purchases and the other was vocabulary-related. You're painting to be a real winner here, AOG.

AOG said...

Mak- You're a winner in my heart.

Bmar, you've now snuggled in there too.

Anonymous said...

"To be honest, I really couldn't figure out what the big deal was."

I think the silent majority can't either. Is it because the fem-bot-nazti-boner-killer got her panties in a bunch^? (assuming she even wears panties)^^

Sars said...

Hi AOG – we have met, so I would hope that I could at least not be lumped in with “Angry Anonymous Girl” despite a couple good-natured digs at your propensity towards extolling your own virtues as a cook /girlfriend/folder of men’s underwear.

Rozenswag said...

Good stuff. The people have their answer.

Now if it's all right, I'll address my numerous call outs in order and hopefully it will help:

1) AOG is right - emails were exchanged and they got heated. As editor, I tried to give criticism where I thought it was due. I did it in an unprofessional way and I (very) recently apologized for that. Verdict's out on acceptance. And she's right, I didn't take it down, nor was I planning to - in fact I probably wouldn't have even commented because I probably wouldn't have read the whole thing^*

2) Glad to hear AOG wants me and AMDAL to succeed. Me too.

3) For brevity, I won't post the whole email chain but AOG did a nice job of highlighting my less-than-stellar word choices like "dangerous," "speaking for AMDAL and we are not in agreement" and "flame-fanning". That was all me. Again, duffs to me for getting aggro on the offline email - since you brought it to the foreground, I will be sure to publicly not take back one thing: "Express your opinions like Scos does"
a) Scos does it right - not because he's horribly offensive (he is) but because he is usually on the right side of the 'imaginary line' that makes up parody. (See my post about Parody x GGMM x Jim Yong Kim x Line Crossing: http://www.allmydealsarelive.com/2009/03/re-good-morning.html )
b) In an effort to make this site more Scos-worthy, Scos has been kind enough to step up to the role of co-editor, alongside myself. Hopefully this balances things out and prevents me from doing rash things like deleting posts (Sorry ~BMar circa 1 year ago) or bitching people out (Sorry AOG circa 1 week ago).

4) My song was offensive but uhhh that was kind of the point - juxtaposing two vastly different viewpoints as expressed by some of the world's greatest minds: Kelly Clarkson and Lil Wayne. And yes, Scos' post was a gem but I think he and I agree that the blog must roll on. If it gets messy and people cant shine like they are deserved due to excessive youtube vomit etc., we'll adjust. Nothing's permanent so chill baby chill.

5) There is never anything wrong with string bikinis and jello but violence is never the answer - just like we (try to) allow differing opinions on AMDAL, same goes for comments - just try to keep it as lighthearted as writers try to do and we'll return the favor. Blatantly offensive language (slurs, I slept with your gf, other unnecessary stuff as deemed by the editors) will be pulled, be it comment or post.

6) Ouch. Backhanded compliment definition: check.

Anyways, despite all the noise, welcome back AOG.

*These ^ things let you say anything!

scos said...

Some Thoughts on AOG's Thoughts about Her Post That was Thought by Many to Be Too Controversial

1. So incendiary actually means "tending to excite or inflame"? I never knew that - thanks!

2. I learned from ** that you actually didn't know that. Please disregard sarcastic point #1.

3. Footnoting with asterisks really only works if your post is short, i.e. you can see the * glossary (or whatever it's called) while you're reading. Otherwise you end up scrolling a lot or simply forgetting the joke. Write that down.

4. "Most of you know Scos- he's kinda an asshole." Why don't you tell us what you really think?

5. "He’s become known to my friends in NYC as that “really cute asshole guy from your soccer team”^ and rarely do I take anything he says seriously because well, it's Scos." Wow, you kept going with it.

Overall, nice job on the post. One criticism, which I actually got for my last TFTV, is that it was a bit on the long side. For example, I only read up to the paragraphs about me - because I like reading about me - then stopped because FoxNews was propagandizing some really good "hyperbolic conservativism."

Perhaps, when I'm done posting these comments, I'll check out your conclusion.

Anonymous said...

"Scos does it right - not because he's horribly offensive but because he is usually on the right side of the 'imaginary line' that makes up parody."

The fact that they are extremely self-dep. helps too. Truly works of art (that hopefully can not be found in google searches by potential employers. as my mum says, "the internets are forever!")

Prior post circa 10 minutes ago was meant to bring light to your comment of "These ^ things let you say anything!" As me mum also says, "If you have to say JK, you probably shouldn't have said it at all!"

AOG's post was great though. If she ever gets in a tussel with the angry-fems she has nothing to fear, assured all the males will be on her side. We all know males have more brain cells. jk

Block said...

Wow, I didn't get a single shout-out. What am I, part of the et all? I'm super offended and probably, definitely, possibly done with AMDAL.




^^^^^^^

arod said...

great post,

i think the issue with self-calls too is that if a reader didn't go to dartmouth and 'live in the house' (sup yale) they might be confused in how AMDAL bloggers sometimes use it. self calls for psi u's has morphed into using it in as arcane or poor a situation as possible (bmar/putman are the local authority on the evolution). basically it is used in the blog as a joke (i have a smart-phone, i am on a road-trip, i turn red when i drink alcohol, i'm hitting on cougars) rather than an actual self-call to make oneself appear superior or to be abrasive. we are all about inside jokes and self-dep here

also, i thought the 'if you could see past your knee whapping you in the face' was a much more sexual dig

i like my interpretation better

Anonymous said...

your collective sensitivity offends me

Rozenswag said...

In lieu of ARod's latest comments:

On the roadtrip, for lack of better things to do, we discussed the frequent use of "That's What She Said" and how it turned into "TWSS." We half joked that at this rate and volume, we'd be back to circa 2005 when "Self Call" was condensed to small noises. "Mer Mer" and "Quack quack" were among the popular sounds.

Enter "Gobble Gobble."

We chose this for no reason other than we think it'd be funny to hear someone drop it in casual conversation. Try it at the next cocktail party and see if anyone gets the joke. If not, reach for the mini turkey club sandwiches and state emphatically "That's what I'm talking about!" That should cover you.

arod said...

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/477f3b6bc5/between-two-ferns-with-zach-galifianakis-from-between-two-ferns-comedy-deathray-and-zach-galifianakis

or you could just use this button

AOG said...

Sars!!! ARod just told me your real name- Ahahaha. Hi! How's DC? Oh this makes our rivalry so much more fun. You drank Swanee Comforts on the Belmont bus- you definitely are okay in my book off AMDAL. Keep the snarkyness going- it cracks me up.


Block- I was just baiting you. Suckah! You know you're one of AMDAL's most talented writers, commentators (is that word? red squiggly line says... yes!).


Glad everyone enjoyed the post - length aside. In fact, right now I'm ordering Snuggies with AMDAL embroidered on them for everyone to express my feelings.

PhishyEel said...

Scos does it right because he can spell. And he's actually funny in a cerebral way. And nimbly treads that line between likable human being and asshole.* It's a pity that not everyone can.

*That's the difference.

Sars said...

For the record, I never thought we had a rivalry. I believe that was constructed by a bikini/jello-loving man.

Anonymous said...

Sars, as AMDAL's leading proto-feminist, don't you believe that EVERYTHING "was constructed by bikini/jello-loving" men? Isn't that the plight of womyn that you've often decried?

Sars said...

Of course, but I know there will be many more occasions for me to make this point on AMDAL in the future. I'll be back.